It was just made up like a lot of english conversations in the english DBZ. He was getting pummeled to pieces. This also brings up GT, anyone mentioning GT at all has no relevance here, 'if you consider GT cannon-' well you can't because it's not. DOES THAT MEAN IF HE CHARGES UP HE'LL HAVE THE AURA OF SSJ 1-3? dragonball z. anime. super buu. | gohan. Fiducial marks: Do they need to be a pad or is it okay if I use the top silk layer? This is reiterated yet again as folks mentioned already when they're discussing fusion. Okay now we are talking about Gohan he barley even trains. Mysterious Luster (talk) 05:10, July 28, 2012 (UTC). Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers. Essentially he can power up to Super Saiyan 3 without wasting the energy to transform, or the strain of maintaining that form. Gohan could go super saiyan and super saiyan 2, but they would be weaker than his Ultimate Form. By using our site, you acknowledge that you have read and understand our Cookie Policy, Privacy Policy, and our Terms of Service. "The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involved from the script stage for the first time. " Facebook is showing information to help you better understand the purpose of a Page. Goku wins Gohan's full potential is unlocked when he turns mystic. Maybe he figures out how to re-unlock his saiyan transformations some time in those ten years between Z and GT. But it is not stated that he can't in the Magna. I think that the Super Saiyan transformations temporarily let's one access their hidden, untapped strength, like Gohan had done throughout the series. Essentially, his power's tapped out. Maybe his Hidden Potential is something (for some reason) from his Human half, so it unlocks his human powers and locks away some of the saiyan stuff. dragonball z. animê. -UltimateSSJ1-. Although the suppose lack of training between DBZ and DBGT probably made him weaker, so he did transform into SSJs forms to get a little bit stronger. The Former Kai DID NOT SAY ANYTHING about him going Super Saiyan. Gohan lost the eyes. Nobody realised this but since now the maximum limit of dbz was a super saiyan 3 right.....so if gohan has reached his MAXIMUM limit he would have reached his most unhidden power which would be...wait for it...super saiyan GOD. Whiz: Gohan, the great Saiyanman BoomStick: And Boruto, the son of Naruto. Side Note: PLEASE STOP QUOTING WHAT THEY SAID FROM THE ENGLISH VERSION. added by KEISUKE_URAHARA. And the "Mystic/Ultimate Gohan" is not a trnasformation, it is a power-up to Gohan's base form. In Dragonball GT, Baby Gohan is Super Saiyan, showing that he can still go Super Saiyan. Yes. gohan. Fatdude (talk) 22:06, September 8, 2012 (UTC), Maybe due to Gohan skipping his training and focusing more on his studies as a Scholar and his family (probally dued to peaceful times no doubt) over the ten year gap seen after the defeat of Kid Buu, his Hidden Potential vanishes which is why it's not seen in Dragon Ball GT at all.Nikon23 05:53, December 4, 2012 (UTC), and also Super Saiyan 2 was seen briefly by Goku (GT) as he bypass to Super Saiyan 3,  and Gohan and Vegeta clearly uses the Transformation during the Battle against Super Android #17 and Omega Shenron. (Anyone who thinks Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu is a fucking idiot.) With a little training he would've turned SSJ in DBZ. Add interesting content and ... mystic gohan. Absolutely unbelievable… Your appearance has hardly changed… And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan… Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”, Elder Kaiōshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. Ultimate Gohan vs Super Buu | Full Fight | HD. Also, Mystic Gohan had none of the drawbacks the SSJ3 form's power came with. He just didn't go Super Saiyan after that happaned in the Buu saga. He can simply raise his power level versus having to transform first before raising power level. He just unlocked ALL of Gohan's BASE power. gohan. Although this may not be a 100% accurate way to distinguish his physical appearance, but we will have to wait till episode 90 comes out and see if Gohan will have that "hair bang" only when he's using the power Old Kaiōshin unlocked or not. Lots of people compare Ultimate Gohan with Goku Super Saiyan 3. Sorry but they do change the words around. It's not that he can't.... the Ultimate form is essentially the Super Saiyan Form... just, it does not exert any strain on him. fotografia. "So you have no actual evidence that support your claims and are forced to call your headcanons "visual evidence," got it." dedicated to all Teen Gohan fans (meaning It could be 10000 depending on how strong your body is.). |} This is in the movie so it is now cannon. gohan. So Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is the power he had at the time (SSJ2) completely unlocked in his base form. Some people already mentioned this: the reason he didn't go ssj against Buutenks is because with so much more base power it takes him so much more effort to bring the ssj form to the surface. That's why Gohan was so much stronger as ssj2 fighting cell vs him going ssj2 at the world tournament. added by son_gohan. dragonball z. anime. With the ultimate form being an easy transformation to unlock all of his powers without going SSJ. He dragged out the fight because he could sense Gohan's power growing, and knew that he needed Gotenks alive and in one piece to have any hope of being able to absorb him and thus overcome Gohan. SSJ3 Goku is far stronger than Ultimate Gohan. But in the new form he can be alot stronger without any strain. This Teen Gohan photo contains anime, bande dessinée, manga, and dessin animé. i.e. and in gt he was able to go ssj becuase he had lost some of his power over time due to being a "normal person" so he could tap into more power through transforming. Mystic Gohan now can use his SSJ strength without transforming, so energy efficiency is perfected here. Does the new Dragon Ball Super opening proves that Gohan is going to recover his mystic form? super saiyan. How Strong is Ultimate Gohan. The Elder Kai said the training was complete. thumb|300px|right|see super saiyan is wat he does from the start, Dragon Ball Z: Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan, http://www.saiyanisland.com/2013/03/akira-toriyama-interview/, https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Why_can%27t_Ultimate_Gohan_go_ssj%3F?oldid=1371972. Ultimate Gohan can't go super saiyan and there would be no point. Old Kai never said that there was a form like that. Anything that happened in it cannot be used because it never happened, Gohan never was shown going SSJ or anything of the sort (until something I'll touch on here in a second) and anything GT did was not a thing. The first time was with the Elder Namekian, also known as Guru on Planet Namek, and the second time was … It's simple really. This is because he(gohan) is stronger than gotenks(based on their fight with super buu) whom goku said is stronger than him. I know none of us would compare DBZ to GT but Goku was kinda the same with SS4; Base -> SS - > SS3 and Base - > SS4. Therefore, Elder Kai says right there that he can transform, he just thinks it is morally wrong to do. super saiyan. Honstly this is my only thing I  thought of when he turned ssj in GT, So i hope I helped. No ultimate Gohan is when gohan reaches his fathers goal back when they were training for cell when he can be comfortable in ssj2 thats all Frankly, Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is just as strong as SSJ3. 3. gohan gets drunk off an appel, apple. Manga comes before the anime and the manga never showed him in ssj so he couldn't have transformed. Base Form -> SS1, SS2 or Base Form -> Ultimate. *Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu* added by KEISUKE_URAHARA. By the time gohan has any considerable time to himself he's already too damaged to do squat. well gohan cannot go ssj or beyond becuase all of his power has been put into his base form. Just to make it clear, true power =/= hidden power (although Supreme Kai unleashed Gohan' hidden power as well). See actions taken by the people who manage and post content. It is ASSUMED that he can not go SSJ any  more because of his attempt to power up. And if he could then the forms would have been a "power down" for him. If Gohan could get a boost similar to a Super Saiyan at that point, he'd definitely use it, but he didn't. IM RIGHT.... YOU CAN REFER TO SCENES OR MANGA ALL YOU WANT BUT FACT IS DBZ DONT THINK THINGS THROUGH CORRECTLY..... but hey... be glad its not the Final Fantisy series or we'ed all be lost... lol am i right chou kids XD Because that form Goku requires a lot of energy to sustain that form. His base is Super Namek but he summon his Super Namek power when he needs it. Arutimetto Gohan no Sūpā Pawā!! I think, Gohan was too overconfident in his new power which led him to stay in his current state. We all saw that Gohan did these kind of mistakes earlier while fighting with Cell and Bojan in Bojack Unbound that he forgot about what he really could do with his powers, it was Goku who always used to encourage him and make him believe in himself in order to regaining his confidence. While not in the Ultimate form, he can still go Super Saiyan. foto of *Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu* for fans of Teen Gohan. When Gohan asks Old Kai how to use Mystic form, Old Kai tells him to "Just become a Super Saiyan, and believe." He never went from SS or SS3 to SS4, he was always at his base. Gohan had his power unlock twice. buu. It's not in the manga. We can use Bills as an example. It's at the end however, when the Saiyan's line up to give Goku the power to go Super Saiyan God, that Gohan is shown in Super Saiyan for a moment. The reason my hair is not gold is because my ultimate form allows me to trasform without using energy(making me faster). The kai presents it as an option rather than saying he just can't. In this movie, while Gohan does not go Super Saiyan during his fights, the form does show up near the end with him but before that I do want to make a point: at one step of editing, Gohan does go Super Saiyan all througout the movie BUT they actually took the effort to edit each scene with him doing so, so that he would simply go full power when fighting. Old Kai said that even if Gohan went Super Saiyan, it wouldn't change anything except his appearence and the amount of ki he would be using. BUT SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3 (which I believe he could transform quite easily after he unlock his hidden power) consumes more ki than the base form, specially the SSJ3 form, so Gohan will not get stronger, but he will loses more ki after time than if he is on his base form (his ultimate state), so that's why he did not transform into any SSJ forms. By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy. old kai did the ritual to unlock gohan's MYSTIC aka HIDDEN powers it means he was at a point he can go no further. Gohan doesn't need SSJ3 anyway become the Old Kai unlocked more of his potential power. Please help identify this LEGO set that has owls and snakes? I mean some people said that Broly couldn't go beyond LSSJ but he has(unoffically anyway). This was puzzling for some fans during the Buu Saga, but Dragon Ball Super finally offers an explanation when Goku simply asks Gohan why he doesn't go Super Saiyan. Gohan spends a year in the hyperbolic time chamber in training AFTER he got all of his powers back in Dragon Ball Super. The dialog about Gohan after Old Kai unlocks his power heavily implies he can go Super Saiyan as no on ever says that Gohan can't get any stronger. Is their even another fringe case where people doubt that besides gohan's last dbz form? YES! DBZ does not end with Buu. NOTE: By radiance I am assuming you mean the white aura surrounding him. ! Old Kai released Gohan's power. So forgive me grammar police. 100 (ultimate) + SSJ (x2)= 200, or doubled energy while in ultimate form, then another x2 for SSJ2 Ultimate to equal x4 ultimate. This is why Mystic Gohan didn't transform, because he already reached his max state, he raised his power levels to max and was still getting creamed. Gohan cannot go Super Saiyan after getting Mystic/Ultimate form (though it's not even really a form as much as a full power). He's always had problems using all his base power. The simple answer in regards to why Mystic/Ultimate Gohan didn't transform into a SSJ is because he no longer can. You shouldn't  even bring G.T. What Elder Kai did was remove the blue circles. Instead, his power just goes to it's max more so than any form before could give him, which I'd like to point out that Mystic isn't a transformation as much as Gohan's power at full, much like the difference between relaxed and full power (such as when a super saiyan is relaxed and has more platinum blonde hair and when the power is maxed and trying the hair and aura is gold). He's Whiz and I'm Boomstick! It's even implied earlier when Gohan gets angry at Old Kai when the ritual takes too long and he accidentally powers up. For those of you who consider GT canon it shows how much more powerful Gohan was then, becasue he had mastered the SSJ again with the Ultimate Form being his base form. SSJ3 Goku would win, Goku said if he was a full powered SSJ3 he would have easily beaten Kid Buu (strongest Buu form) and Gohan couldn't beat Super Buu in his "Mystic Gohan" form, which by the way isn't even called that, it's Ultimate Gohan. And this is what I remember the elder kai or the kaioshin from 15 generation back saying that Gohan can turn into a super saiyan but it wouldn't change his power level. He gets week from not practicing dramaticly during the GT saga and in turns when he faught in the world turny he got his power absorbed. I am stuck in transit in Malaysia from Australia. Don't believe me? Why would Toriyama introduce Ssj3 only to humiliate it with Mystic? dedicated to all gohan fans. gohan doesn't need to go super saiyan anymore. So Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is the power he had  at the time (SSJ2) completely unlocked in his base form. I would say no, And it's obvious why. PS: Don't refer to the DBZ movies to support your arguments, it's pathetic because there is zero logic in those things. It wasn't a transformation it just made gohan stronger. Do studs in wooden buildings eventually get replaced as they lose their structural capacity? Thanks to BattleBoy and SSKT for Avatar and Banner. He CAN transform into SSJ, SSJ2. Watch the movie. i get that the powers are pretty inconsistant, but if you actually think about some of the power levels, you see that that's true for the entire series!!!!!!!!! Just watched it 10 mins ago. What people confuse is what the Former Kai told Goku about the Potara earrings. This concludes that he can't go beyond Mystic form because that's his absolute limit. Gohan obviously couldn't have since he was being clobbered further along when fighting buu and there's no need to worry about Earth from transforming since the planet at this point has NO PEOPLE on it to be harmed anymore so stop saying he can in DBZ since it's annoying. teen gohan *Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu* what i think is that the old kaer up raised his base-power, therefore it was harder to access ssj. That Super-Whatever-Thing is depraved." Following Goku's death, he was trained by Piccoloin anticipation of the upcoming Saiyan invasion… SSJ3 Goku And SSJ2 Vegeta VS Mystic (Ultimate) Gohan. SSJ3 Goku would win, Goku said if he was a full powered SSJ3 he would have easily beaten Kid Buu (strongest Buu form) and Gohan couldn't beat Super Buu in his "Mystic Gohan" form, which by the way isn't even called that, it's Ultimate Gohan. Is Kale stronger than a super saiyan blue in the anime? That Super whatever-it’s-called is the wrong way of doing things…”. Close. So he could go SS cuz he's a saiyan but his ultimate form required a different transformation. SSJTyrone (talk) 03:59, January 15, 2015 (UTC). Be it SSJ3 Goku or Gotenks. Gohan Club kom bij New Post. Listen, Gohan CANNOT go SSJ while he is "ultimate". 0. All means all. meaning that he cant tap the next level of power becuase there is no next level. Other then that fact aside, I wouldn't go all out and say they had to kill each other. i remember that he didn't use it in the fight against Buu, but i don't remember anyone ever specifically saying that he couldn't. im standing on that till my death bed vegeta cheated his way to ssj4 and come to find out its equal only 34% above his ssj2 form. I heard about the "bang" , and i knew it was something related to the hair, but since i'm not from an english speaking country i dont know exactly what it is. I don't ever remember seeing him power up from a SS form into SS4 (expect from the japanese intro but that doesn't count lol). Ok from what I remember from the series is this after Old Kai was done with the ritual of unlocking Gohan's locked powers. ! 1 Description 2 Introduction 3 Gohan 4 Boruto 5 Pre Battle 6 Battle The sons of Animes two biggest legends clash in a battle of Epicproportions! so why in the hevenly fathers name would he need to turn ssj or ssj2? Now as far as DBZ cannon goes, that is how it is, that's just fact. 3. It wouldn't do anything to his power. Duh. Then there's a break and once the fighting resumes things of course change. How to estimate the integral involved the distance function, Is it normal that the "ä" is pronounced this way in this word? Akira Toriyama created the story and is deeply involved in it's development. Current Gohan has 3 weeks of prep. Ultimate Gohan’s Super Power! It meant it would take a lot of struggle for Gohan to become a ssj with a lot of power to be doubled . The fact of the matter is, that Mystic form takes Gohan to his ultimate limit, to a power further than any Super Saiyan form could give him (including 3, being stronger than SS3 Goku) while replacing the reflex to actually go Super Saiyan entirely. Why the confidence intervals in a categorical lm() are not calculated at the group level? How Strong is Ultimate Gohan. Which “Highlander” movie features a scene where a main character is waiting to be executed? But, Goku wasn't there when Gohan was fighting with Super Buu, may be that's why Gohan didn't go SSJ. To get things in perspective, we need to start at the beginning, and progress chronologically and stick to a single source of information. If he knew Hirudegarn, Super Buu(Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed), Bills who had power levels above him, and the earth was in danger, a normal mind would easily comprehend that to beat such characters with high power levels, you would have to have power levels higher than theirs, right? hes ultimate meaning: |- The GT haters never understand this.Sandubadear (talk) 19:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC). We can't take GT into account anymore as with the new Super Saiyan God form; GT is now offically a what if story arc. added by KEISUKE_URAHARA. | style="padding: 0px;"|The best achievable or imaginable of its kind: "the ultimate in decorative luxury". He is at his max so turning ssj is a waist of time. Aside of this minimum difference, is there any other change in his appearence when he is in base form compared to when he is in mystic form? He told Goku that he did not need to go Super Saiyan while using the earrings because the earrings had all the power they needed because Gohan was slacking and couldn't beat Majin Buu (Super Buu with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed). With a little training he would've turned SSJ in DBZ. rev 2020.12.18.38240, Sorry, we no longer support Internet Explorer, The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Anime & Manga Stack Exchange works best with JavaScript enabled, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site, Learn more about Stack Overflow the company, Learn more about hiring developers or posting ads with us, That's exactly why i asked. DOES THAT MEAN HES AT MAX POWER? so he can adjust to the super saiyan mode and fight with less strain. When trunks and goku fight luud they barely use SSJ powers(even though they were almost beaten). 사진 of *Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu* for 팬 of Gohan. so why is it that people keep saying that GT is stupid because he goes ssj in it? He doesn't transform at all, he just simply raises his power above Z-Fighters tier and he is already regarded as a threat. So since the fusion is "tens of times stronger" than the original fighters according to Wiss's words, Mystic Gohan has to be "tens of times" stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku who wasnt stronger than Kale. Two: It really sucks how you can't turn super sayin in Mysic Gohan stage. lets say we put it like this gohan is liggitamitly the second strongest warrior in the universe ((under goku and above vegeta yes above vegeta. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! dedicated to all Gohan fans 39703598. buu. gohan. Unfortunately DBGT, decided to add another transformation making Gohan's power up inconsistent. Why would Toriyama introduce Ssj3 only to humiliate it with Mystic? Ultimate>>>>Super Saiyan The fact is had Gohan gone Ssj3 WHILE Mystic he would have had a massive powerup. That's what really happened. If Gohan could go SSJ, he would've done so...those saying "he never needed it" are dead wrong...Gotenks-Buu anyone? super buu. 1 year ago. |}. Base>SSJ>SSJ2=Ultimate(SSJ2 - energy costs of transformation). dedicated to all Teen Gohan fans 0. Super Gohan is merely Gohan at his max.This means that his base power has increased substantially even greater than ssj3.Super saiyan transformations increase your base power to about 500percent more.Therefore If Super Gohan transforms then he'll get a massive boost of power.The reason he hasnt done that already may be that its harder to awaken super saiyan with his base level so strong.I think he can but hasn't learnt to yet. I will now no longer acknowledge Ultimate Gohan. So that arguement is pretty much null and void, I believe, it was just an artistic representation, something to differentiate it from super saiyan 3 or any super saiyan form. Gohan Can Go Super Saiyan and Here's The Truth. Thus, his base power exceeded the power he had previously shown as a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2, and thus at the time he had no need to go Super Saiyan. video. buu. It should also be noted that in episode 88 it is somewhat implied by Piccolo that Gohan has not been using the power Old Kaiōshin unlocked (at least only in the Dragon Ball Super anime) ever since after his fight with Super Buu. It's completely obvious. There's no such thing as "he can transform but he'll be weaker" or "he can but it won't make a difference". Gohan briefly goes Ultimate=Has the closed eyes Is there any physical difference between Gohan in base form and Gohan in mystic form? He just won't look different it's a powerup. The Gohan that has no need to turn Super Saiyan in battle is Ultimate Gohan. Old Kai drew out all of Gohan's power, so Gohan can use all this power while in base...he can't be SSJ anymore because his SSJ power is now a part of his full power which was drawn out by Old Kai, which he now sustains in his base form, or "Ultimate form". To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers. One of the best moments in the manga/anime. Mystic Gohan>SSJ2 Teen/Adult Gohan The simple answer in regards to why Mystic/Ultimate Gohan didn't … *Also named "Mystic Gohan" by fans Although DBZ is my favorite anime, I lack some knowledge of the two, er same, character(s). Ultimate Gohan vs Super Buu | Full Fight | HD. He couldn't go ssj in his Ultimate form because old kai gained all power of his body which wouldn't let him go ssj in this form. Technically, he's already a Super Saiyan without transforming. Goku and Vegeta didn't need what Old Kai gave Gohan because their training and experience gives them control of their full base already. but here comes the point there's no use. SSJ3 Goku is far stronger than Ultimate Gohan. The only physical difference I've ever seen between Gohan in base form, and Gohan in mystic form, it's a radiance he displays for a second in the Battle of Gods movie when turning into mystic form. Remember back in the Frieza Saga when Guru "unlocked" Gohan's potential. If transforming into an SSJ was going to win him the fight, he would of done so. They just mention Akira Toriyama as the original series creator, because he is. Community. [[Category:{{{1}}}|Why can't Ultimate Gohan go ssj?]]. In episode 88, Toei seems to distinguish Gohan's base form and the power Old Kaiōshin unlocked by adding a "hair bang" while he was using the the power Old Kaiōshin unlocked. As with GT, it may be inconsistent, but with Gohan going ssj it makes some sense. So if he went super saiyan while ultimate it would be: Start- 1 *Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu* added by KEISUKE_URAHARA. ^ Wrong, the movie is canon. Next time... on Dragon Ball Z...(I miss the sound of that. His power was like a massive river being held back by a dam, and when the Old Kai had unlocked his power, that river was released, allowing Gohan to use his power at his own will. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. This is Goku and Vegeta before they fight Buu on the Supreme Kais planet. Can anyone explain why this cable into a router is split between the sockets? Finally I submit to you that when dende heals gohan, he's just too dumb to try it. Basically, all the Elder Kai did was raise his base level to a point to where he no longer needs to transform. Wiki Points. super saiyan. Vegetto is obviously first, but Ultimate Gohan is confirmed to be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, whom is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. (Sức mạnh của Mystic Gohan là gì-Ultimate Gohan-old kai khai phá sức mạnh tiềm ẩn gohan,Potential Unleashed gohan,Super Gohan) Cuối cùng, để chuẩn bị cho giải đấu 12 vÅ© trụ và trước mắt là giải đấu biểu diễn với vÅ© trụ 9, Gohan đã nhờ Piccolo huấn luyện lại để khôi phục sức mạnh nhÆ° xÆ°a. added by KEISUKE_URAHARA. |Noun{| class="ts" super buu. Ultimate>>>>Super Saiyan The fact is had Gohan gone Ssj3 WHILE Mystic he would have had a massive powerup. I just watched the episode where Gohan first goes mystic in official english subtitles translated from the japanese version and Elder Kai states as he is patting the dust off of him, "Hmph, it is not as though he has to transform. gohan. Gohan powers up and does not transform but his power increases to much stronger than a SSJ2. Both the movie and GT were made by Toei, not Toriyama. The Ultimate Form can be accessed at any time. Gohan's max power was SSJ2, the Kai unlocked that as his base form. Boo is Overwhelmed! I am never wrong. Of course. Gohan was young, while Goku had extreme experience like the Spirit Bomb, Instant Transmission, Instant Kamehameha etc. And he also said here: "What I did was create the story" Go research more. or maybe people don't realize that while something like kaioken is a multiplier, ssj has more of an exponential or log curve. Ultimate Gohan (DBS) vs Hit Badrimoine2019. super saiyan. Gohan had his power unlock twice. he's at full power in that mystic form. This can also probably be used as a reason to say GT is not "canon". Its power eclipses that of his Super Saiyan forms by a significant margin, and in this state, Gohan is often known as Mystic Gohan or Ultimate Gohan. It only takes a minute to sign up. | style="height: 10px;"| What's with the Trump veto due to insufficient individual covid relief? Mystic Gohan should win: even tho Janemba is stronger than SS3 Goku, Hoku can syill hould his own against Janemba; M. Gohan is considerable stronger than Super Buu, and Goku said hat he nor Vegeta had possibilities against S. Buu. I'm a big fan of DBZ and I recently just finished watching it again. In ultimate your power level is the full extent of your power. super buu. I dont know why he did transform into SSJ on DBGT. Kid Buu Who wins!!!!! Stop listening to everything they say in the english version because they throw in extra words that they didn't say in the original manga or show. Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, who was equal to Kid Buu minus the regeneration. He might go SSJ 1 to conceal his full potential, but SSJ2 is pointless because it takes alot more effort to transform. Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in DBZ, and thus the second strongest Z warrior. Vegeta hasn't attained the form either and he trains more than Gohan. YÅ«suke Watanabe wrote the story of the movie. DBZ. END OF DISCUSSION! He fought Super Buu and thought he could beat him but the wonder starts when Super Buu absborbs SSJ3 Gotenks along with Piccolo, inspite of sensing Buu's rapidly increased ki, Gohan didn't think to transform but he knew that his energy was less than Buu's energy. As we all know that we have been wondering, witnessing the infinite power of the Saiyans that we almost share a thought that a Saiyan doesn't stop at anything if he knows to increase his power either it's Ultimate or anything else.. we don't even know if a Saiyan's Ultimate Super Saiyan form is SSJ4 because there could be a lot more. If Old Kai had the power to unlock Gohan's ssj power without him having to transform he would've done the same for Goku and Vegeta, so they didn't have to waste energy transforming. Gohan. He would be stronger than SSJ4 goku, but he isn't. The first time was with the Elder Namekian, also known as Guru on Planet Namek, and the second time was with the Elder Supreme Kai back in Dragon Ball Z. 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